Observing the difference between an apostolic and evangelistic mega-church

6 09 2008

You all know I’m not excited about the mega-church model but, since we’re all familiar with mega-churches like Saddleback and Willow Creek, I wanted to illustrate, within the mega-church model, the difference between an apostolic ecclesiology (Rick Warren) and an evangelistic ecclesiology (Bill Hybles).

And this is it –  An apostle is obsessed with developing a discipleship process that works and an evangelist will almost always sacrifice discipleship for evangelism or “mission”.  Evangelists are essential but they should NOT develop church models!  Evangelists must equip multiple churches on how to move out missionally but today almost all evangelists are church planters (developing unique missional church models) who create evangelistic movements in a city and call them the local church.  30 years later we can see what happens.

In this video Rick Warren (who is clearly apostolic) critiques Willow Creek’s (a church model designed by 5-fold evangelist, Bill Hybles) approach and what the Reveal Study demonstrates about what happens when a church does not have a clear discipleship process as the foundational of their ecclesiology.  Missional friends please take note.

So here it is, a video demonstration of the continuous clash in our day between apostolic and evangelistic church strategies.

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Strategy vs. Revelation – Striking the right balance?

1 08 2008

My whole life I’ve been an obsessive strategist by nature but many in the church have looked with suspicion on my gift believing that there is something inherently ungodly about strategy.

Statements like “we just need to be faithful” or “God doesn’t care about how you do it He just wants your heart” have shut me down making me feel less spiritual because I deeply care if what we’re doing is the best method.  As I entered the business field I was greeted with the exact opposite response where strategy is highly prized and respected.

This is one reason I think God is going to call many of his apostles from the business world.

But does focusing on strategy breed an unhealthy independence from God and dependence on man and his plans?  I believe there is truth to this concern about strategy as some have embraced ungodly strategies and have justified their independence from God as a “holy pragmatism” and have built forms of church that have no chance of creating a biblically functioning body.

So what’s the balance?

I believe the answer may be a need to work from revelation to strategy not from pragamtism to strategy.

God has given apostles an ability to understand how God’s revelation builds a God-given strategy that will have the unique ability to allow the church to function properly.  God is beginning to release the apostolic ministry in our day in a way never seen since the first century and you will know an apostle by their unique ability to understand how revelation impacts strategy.  This will bridge the gaps created in the previous generation by the faithful but strategy-less pastoral church and the revelation-ignoring pragmatism of the evangelist led church.

We’re about to see why God’s divine order is not to build the church on the gifts of the pastor, the teacher or the evangelist but to build the church “on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.” (Eph. 2:20-21)